At Caren Miosga, Baerbock confesses: “Had to switch off at some point”

At the center of the program: The diplomatic scandal between Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and the Ukrainian President Wolodymyr Selenskyj in the Oval Office. Politics reacted shocked in Germany. Federal President Steinmeier said the following day: “The scene in the White House yesterday let me breathe my breath. I would never have believed that we would have to protect Ukraine from the USA.” Since then, the central question has been in the room: Are the United States still a reliable partner for Ukraine, Germany and Europe?

Caren Miosga discusses this question with Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock from the Greens, the former CDU chancellor candidate Armin Laschet, security expert Claudia Major and the CNN journalist Frederik Pleitgen. A top -class round – but does it also provide new knowledge?

Right from the start, the round agreed: there has never been such an escalation in international diplomacy. Armin Laschet states: “This has never existed in international diplomacy, even between hostile states.” Annalena Baerbock goes one step further: “I had to switch off in between because I couldn’t stand it how the Ukrainian president was dealt with.” she says in the round.

Miosga hooks with the Foreign Minister: “Why does Trump humiliate the president of a attacked country?” The foreign minister remains vague: “The American president plays his own game.” Europe now has to put their own cards on the table.

The discussion remains in a critical but predictable framework: The United States pursues tough self -interests under Trump, Europe has to become more capable of acting. Security expert Claudia Major sums it up: “Selenskyj wants life insurance.” And the Russian ambitions went far beyond Ukraine: “Russia wants to rewrite the rules as we define security in Europe.”

Miosga asks the big question: “Is Trump on the way to become a autocrate?” Baerbock remains careful: you can’t say that, but Europe is on one “Key moment”. The world is reorganized – and not just between western democracies and autocrats.

There is also talk about a possible ceasefire. But Europe would only be limited to secure it- there is no education, flight and rocket defense, said Major. The risk of another war in Europe increased because the United States withdraw and Russia realizes that war would be worthwhile.

Frederik Pleitgen still sees positive things: “There is nothing better to weld the Europeans together than ruin -like behavior in the White House.” An optimistic look at a worrying situation.

The program has a basic tone, a conviction that comes out again and again: Europe has to become more capable of action – and quickly. Baerbock demands that Germany must be part of the new European initiative: “If we are not there, we will not be able to create peace in Europe.” Everyone also agrees with the financing: a new special fund or a reform of the debt brake is necessary, the previous funds were not sufficient. “We cannot spill now, we have to block blocks”emphasizes the Foreign Minister.

Caren Miosga has gathered a top -class round, the analysis is well -founded – but there is no real controversy. Everyone agrees: Europe has to become more independent. But how exactly? The show shows that Europe needs a new security strategy.