Anne Will discusses arms deliveries to Ukraine and Olaf Scholz, who has recently been much criticized. The chancellor gets support here, as does his tank policy.
After a long wait, Germany now wants to deliver 14 of the long-desired Leopard 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine. The new Defense Minister Boris Pistorius (SPD) describes the decision as “historical”. Now defeated Ukraine wants even more weapons, including fighter jets and long-range missiles. But what do we want? Where does it all end? Where are the famous “red lines”? And what is actually to be thought of Olaf Scholz now? Anne Will debated these questions on Sunday evening on her ARD talk show.
who has at “Anne Will” discussed?
- Kevin Kühnert (SPD), General Secretary
- Janine Wissler (Die Linke), party leader
- Marina Weisband, German-Ukrainian publicist
- Carlo Masala, Professor of International Politics at the University of the Federal Armed Forces in Munich
- Georg Mascolo, journalist and author for the “Southgerman newspaper”
How did the Ukraine discussion go?
As expected, the only one in the group who fundamentally argued against arms deliveries to Ukraine is the leader of the Left Party, who consistently “escalation logic” warns against “trivialization of war”, such as some greens. But she’s not a keen pacifist either. Your constant demand for one “negotiated solution” suffers from the fact that she cannot really say how the world can now achieve that at least the two warring parties now negotiate seriously with each other. It is then always from “more pressure” the speech, and yet it remains a bit nebulous. “At the moment I don’t know what to negotiate,” says Georg Mascolo from the “southern Germans”.
HIMARS, Leopard 2 and Co.
Which country supplies which weapons to Ukraine?
On the other hand, Carlo Masala, Professor of International Politics, argues with refreshing clarity: “Yes, of course, the arms shipments are prolonging the war.” In his opinion, delivering no weapons to Ukraine, or at least significantly fewer, would also have meant that it “there would be no Ukraine today”. In order to negotiate, says Masala, you have to support the attacked country against the overpowering enemy. With good weapons, namely “consistent”.
If the Left Party had been followed from the start, Ukraine would have been there a long time ago “overrun” meanwhile, Olaf Scholz chief explainer Kevin Kühnert etches. The Chancellor’s critics would “nonsense” tell to “small-minded political gains” to realize, scolds Kühnert, who sees the chancellor’s hesitation as “pausing” praises and Scholz – albeit not quite rightly – attests that he has the issue of arms deliveries “never drawn red lines”.
Marina Weisband, who used to be a big hit with the Pirates when it still seemed to be a relevant party and is now with the Greens, Weisband thinks that Scholz has been silent for a long time “a big problem” is: “What is Germany’s goal”, she asks – but there is no right answer that evening either. Weisband, who is German and Ukrainian, advocates sending as many weapons as possible to Ukraine as soon as possible. That much is quickly clear. Ukraine will “on a drip” held, she criticizes: too few weapons to win, too many to lose, just enough, so late, perhaps not to anger Russia too much. “Putin has been given too much time by the West”says Weissband.
Which brings us back to Olaf Scholz and his “pausing”. But he doesn’t have to listen to too much criticism from Messrs. Masala and Mascolo. Even if he “not a communicative masterpiece” delivered, as the professor attests, who was also the youngest “shouting” in the traffic light coalition reprimands. In any case, that didn’t happen that evening: Ms. Strack-Zimmermann from the FDP was invited just as little as Toni Hofreiter from the Greens.
The findings
- Before the federal government decided that Germany would supply the battle tanks, 46 percent of Germans were in favor of it in an ARD poll. Afterwards, 54 percent of those questioned found the decision in a ZDF survey “correct”.
- So far, Germany has delivered military material worth three billion euros to Ukraine, says Kühnert – that puts the country in the current ranking “in second place” behind the US. Per capita, Estonia has given Ukraine the most military support, says Weisband.
The conclusion
“Nothing is excluded”, says journalist Mascolo with a view to further arms deliveries. Well, except for ground troops from Germany, of course. “It is not in our hands when Putin escalates”says Professor Masala.
Source: Stern
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